Monday, November 24, 2008

Interesting Quote: Bill Condon, Dreamgirls director

"If you're asking, 'Do we take discrimination against gays as seriously as bigotry against African Americans and Jews?' . . . the answer is, 'Of course we do.' But we also believe that some people, including [Richard Raddon, director of the L.A. Film Festival who donated $1,500 to support Proposition 8] saw Prop. 8 not as a civil rights issue but a religious one. That is their right. And it is not, in and of itself, proof of bigotry."

There's a fine line with religion and bigotry. Are they separate issues or do they run hand in hand?


David Dust said...

The fact that many religious institutions have preached bigotry (and/or homophobia) from their pulpits, leads me to believe that they are NOT separate issues.

Hawa Bond said...

Let me cut and paste a comment I left at Denmark Vesey:

Let me start by admitting that I consider myself a Christian free from the disease of Big Hat Church Attendance. In other words, I believe in God, I trust in Jesus, but I don't subscribe to the religious tom-foolery that goes on in many churches.

Now, first, I have a problem with Christians who single out a single "sin" and pick on the population that exhibits the behavior. I once brought an entire discussion of gays adopting children to a halt when I asked the simple question, "So should parental screening include other sins like lying and overeating?" C'mon. Homosexually didn't even make the Top Ten Commandments (that Moses delivered on tablets).

Let's say that we agree homosexuality is a sin. Lying, gossiping, overeating, dishonoring our parents, sex before marriage, and drinking too much exist on that list. Where is the public outcry for these behaviors?

The divorce rate is astronomical. We party. We have sex before marriage. We make snarky remarks about our neighbors. How does one single out homosexuality and ignore these others?

Some argue that homosexuality was not the sin that burned Sodom and Gomorrah. Promiscuity and decadence did.

No matter the biblical arguments, I'm still not satisfied that public law should always reflect Biblical principals.

Homosexuality involves two consenting adults. Unlike murder and gossiping, the rights of another aren't violated.

I'm not satisfied to live in a Theocracy. Homosexuals want the right to love who they want and to enjoy the rights of other couples - including certain legal rights such as leavibg their Social Security benefits to a legally recognized partner.

I don't want other Christians, who may believe differently than I do, to limit my choices in life. So who are Christians to limit life for those outside the faith? I'm a deeply committed heterosexual, but I know homosexuals who love their mates.

Render unto God what is His. Render undo Caesar what is Caesar's.

Hawa, author of
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David Dust said...

Ms. Bond -

I don't believe homosexuality is a sin at all. Any more than being left-handed or red-headed is a sin. And I think it demeans gay people by to putting "homosexuality" in the same general category as "gossiping" or "murder". "Hate the sin, love the sinner" still contains the word HATE.

I appreciate your sentiments that gay people should enjoy the same rights as you; but to state that gays/lesbians are, by definition, "sinners" is demeaning.

We are ALL sinners - and we should ALL be equal. End of story.


David Dust

Wonder Man said...

I agree with David, and I don't homosexuality is a sin. It's a mutant power

David Dust said...

WM -

"Mutant Power" - PERFECT.


Butch said...

Nonsense! It is bigotry hiding behind religion.

The logic doesn't hold up. If they are going to "bible-thump" us with it's a sin to lie with another man, then why are they not rabid for divorce or adultry? And their bible approves of slavery so do they accept a person's bigotry against blacks because they use the bible to hide behind saying that they have a right to discriminate because the bible is for slavery? or having plural wives, or selling one's own daughter into slavery because it is okay in the bible? No! We "right the wrongs" of that book with our laws of the land. They can't differenciate between which "rules" they will follow and to which one's they turn a blind eye.

deathtotroybolton said...

Wow, it's amazing what money will make you excuse. So as long as it's wrapped up in religion it isn't bigoted? Bullshit.

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