I don't get Evangelicals

I am truly struggling with evangelicals. I mean, I've always struggled with evangelicals, but I'm not understanding their purpose, cause or their belief system.

For them to support anyone like Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is quite interesting, and a bit scary.

These are people who are phonies and liars. I don't understand how they could support these particular candidates. It just doesn't make any sense to do so, I mean how do you hold your faith so high that you can't see the bullshit in front of your face?

The last time I checked, God and Jesus were all about love, acceptance and bringing people together. But evangelicals seem to except bigotry and deception as key qualities. It's hard for me to take them seriously, because everything they stand for goes against the true teachings of Jesus.

It's difficult for me to believe that these people are genuinely into their faith. Makes me wonder if they even realize how backwards and naïve they come across.

Maybe somebody's God will show them the way.

A New Evangelical Group believes Gays are made in God's Image

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez Jr

For the image of God exists in all human beings: black and white; rich and poor;straight and gay; conservative and liberal; victim and perpetrator; citizen and undocumented; believer and unbeliever.

Nice, who said that? The Imago Dei Campaign did. But what is this campaign? Well, here's the fun part... It's a movement of prominent evangelical groups. Their mission is to end the culture war they have created.

Yeah, that's their plan. The leader of this movement, Rev. Samuel Rodriguez Jr., wants the conversations to change. He doesn't want these groups to be known for what they oppose, but for they believe. Their goal is to start new discussions and more importantly, bring in the younger generation.

Interesting, but you know, they will need to walk the walk in order for us to take them seriously. If you are curious, go to their site and check it out.

READ The Faith and Freedom Coalition's 'Obama is an Evil Nazi' Survey

Criminal and faker, Ralph Reed has sent out this "Voter Registration Confirmation Survey" to mobilize the evangelical vote for Romney.

Well, this survey is not an ordinary survey. It makes Obama look like a evil Nazi terrorist.

Look at it
Full Faith Amp Freedom Coalition Mailer(1)

Pure mess

Exit Polls proves that Social Issues are Santorum's Strength

The exit polls tells us a lot about why these idiots folks voted the way they did.

Take for example, anti-abortion voters, who accounted for about seven out of every ten voters in each state. The antiabortion voters in Alabama preferred Santorum: he won 42 percent of them, to Romney’s 21 percent and Gingrich’s 30 percent. In Mississippi 36 percent of the antiabortion voters chose Santorum, while 31 percent chose Romney and 28 percent went for Gingrich.

Exit poll data from South Carolina, Georgia and Tennessee showed that Romney, a Mormon, was only to draw between a fifth and a quarter of the evangelical Christian voters in those contests. But among white evangelical Christians in Mississippi Romney did better, winning 31 percent, while Santourm won 35 percent. In Alabama, evangelical Christians preferred Santorum: he won 35 percent of them, with Romney picking up 27 percent and Gingrich 32 percent.

How much did it matter to voters on Tuesday that a candidate shared or didn’t share their religious beliefs? In both states, about three out of four voters said shared religious beliefs mattered a great deal or somewhat. The exit poll found contrasts in views: in Alabama, 40 percent of such voters chose Santorum, while in Mississippi a plurality of those voters – 34 percent – chose him and 32 percent supported Romney.

Even in these two socially conservative states, there were some Republican voters who were willing to identify themselves to exit poll interviewers as “moderates,” or say they thought abortion should be legal. Among self-identified moderates – who were nearly one out of four voters in Alabama -- Romney was the winner with 41 percent. In Mississippi, where moderates were about two out of ten voters, Romney won the moderate vote with 46 percent.

In each state, roughly one in four voters said abortion should be legal: Romney won 36 percent of them in Alabama and 39 percent of them in Mississippi.

This proves that most of them think about social drama than reality. No wonder why they are broke, jobless and foolish.

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Evangelical Leaders picks Rick Santorum as their Presidential Candidate

In the search for the Not-Romney candidate, bigots evangelical leaders chooses Rick Santorum as their man.

However, he has not chance in Hell on winning.

Nationally, the meeting has attracted a lot of attention as political experts portray it as a last-ditch effort to stop Mitt Romney's march to the GOP nomination. Many politically active evangelicals consider Romney far too moderate. Closer to home, backers of Texas Gov. Rick Perry were hoping to win the backing of the evangelical leaders as a way to revive his struggling campaign.

Conservative heavyweights hosting or invited to the event at a ranch outside Brenham include James Dobson, founder of Focus on the Family; Kelly Shackelford, president and CEO of the Liberty Institute; Don Wildmon, founder of the American Family Association; and Gary Bauer, president of American Values.

Sorry, haters! Romney is the nominee. Get over your religious arrogance and deal with it.

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Read more here: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/politex/2012/01/another-blow-for-perry-evangelical-leaders-back-santorum.html#storylink=cpy

New Poll: Young Evangelicals are Divided on Gay Marriage

The young folks are alright... Maybe. A new poll shows that young evangelicals are more open to gay marriage:

The poll, released in late August by the Washington-based Public Religion Research Institute, found that nearly half (44 percent) of young evangelicals between the ages of 18 to 29 favor allowing gays and lesbians to marry.


By contrast, the white evangelical community as a whole (even counting those relatively liberal young adults) is solidly opposed to same-sex marriage, by slightly more than 80 percent.

More broadly, the poll found “at least a 20-point generation gap between millennials (age 18-29) and seniors (65 and over) on every public policy measure in the survey concerning rights for gay and lesbian people.”

The poll also found that a slight majority of all Catholics (52 percent) favor same-sex marriage, despite the energetic teaching of their church to the contrary.

Interesting, right?

A Homophobic Mob desecrated a grave of Gay Man

This is truly horrifying! In Senegal, gay man's dead body is abuse and desecrated!

Madieye Diallo's body had only been in the ground for a few hours when the mob descended on the weedy cemetery with shovels. They yanked out the corpse, spit on its torso, dragged it away and dumped it in front of the home of his elderly parents.

The scene of May 2, 2009 was filmed on a cell phone and the video sold at the market. It passed from phone to phone, sowing panic among gay men who say they now feel like hunted animals.

"I locked myself inside my room and didn't come out for days," says a 31-year-old gay friend of Diallo's who is ill with HIV. "I'm afraid of what will happen to me after I die. Will my parents be able to bury me?"

The sad thing is how this mess is growing in Africa. There has been more reports across the country and it seems to be getting worse.

And what gets me, is the fact these acts are probably reactions from the evangelicals telling them all that jazz about God and how we should burn in Hell. I can't help but to think they have a role in this.

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Alan Grayson Has a Question for the Christian Right

This man is my new Hero

Pat Robertson said a 'Pact with the Devil' caused the earthquake in Haiti

This silly man had the nerve to say the tragedy in Haiti happened because of their 'pact with the devil'

see it here

Listen to the foolishness of Scott Lively, the anti-gay evangelical involved in Uganda

Scott is one of the 3 American Evangelical men responsible for the development of the Uganda Anti-gay bill.

While Scott believes he has done no harm, here's proof of his mess

Rachel Maddow talks More about the Ugandan Drama

MSNBC's Andrea Mitchell and Rachel Maddow Discuss Uganda Drama with the gays

Are these folks Responsible for the Ugandan Anti-gay Bill?

Don Schmierer, Scott Lively and Caleb Lee Brundidge may be the inspiration for Uganda's Kill the Bill.

These guys were in Uganda in March, spreading the word about against homosexuality. In fact, they talked about curing folks of the 'gay disease' at a conference there.

The theme of the event, according to Stephen Langa, its Ugandan organizer, was “the gay agenda — that whole hidden and dark agenda” — and the threat homosexuals posed to Bible-based values and the traditional African family.

For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

After they left... The Bill was formed!

One month after the conference, a previously unknown Ugandan politician, who boasts of having evangelical friends in the American government, introduced the Anti-Homosexuality Bill of 2009, which threatens to hang homosexuals, and, as a result, has put Uganda on a collision course with Western nations.

Interesting, very interesting. However, these men are upset that folks are blaming them. They don't understand why we are pointing fingers.

Well, let's look at their 'expertise'.

Don is staunch board member of Exodus International, who sole purpose is addressing gay issues, then you have Scott Lively who has written several books and articles against us; and finally, Caleb Lee Brundidge, an ex-gay man who claims he can heal the homosexual sickness. He also a part of a group led by Richard Cohen (Rachel Maddow mopped the floor with him recently, see here)

With these kind of backgrounds, why wouldn't we see some connections?

We need to monitor their steps, no telling what else they have set up.

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Oral Roberts is Dead

He's dead. He was 91

David Bahati vows that the Uganda Anti-Gay bill will remain in its original state

The horrid, David Bahati continues to push the Anti-Gay in its original state. He believes that gays must be put to death, however he said that we have misunderstood his intent.

"Most people have misunderstood the bill," Bahati told the Observer. "The section of the death penalty relates to defilement by an adult who is homosexual and this is consistent with the law on defilement which was passed in 2007. The whole intention is to prevent the recruitment of under-age children, which is going on in single-sex schools. We must stop the recruitment and secure the future of our children."

The Ugandan bill extends existing laws to make it illegal to promote homosexuality by talking or writing about it, and forcing people to tell the authorities about anyone they know who is gay. The bill, said Bahati, 35, an MP from the ruling party, aims to "protect the cherished culture of the people of Uganda against the attempts of sexual rights activists seeking to impose their values of sex promiscuity on the people of Uganda".

He denied reports that international pressure might result in parts of the bill being toned down. "We are not going to yield to any international pressure – we cannot allow people to play with the future of our children and put aid into the game. We are not in the trade of values. We need mutual respect."

This is highly wrong, Bahati! This is murder! What do you this will do to the children? To the people of Uganda? This man is evil or ridiculously stupid.

But what hurts, is this piece here:

In March, Bahati met several prominent anti-gay US Christian activists who attended a conference in Uganda where they pledged to "wipe out" homosexuality. The conference featured Scott Lively, president of California's anti-gay Abiding Truth Ministries and co-author of The Pink Swastika, a book claiming that leading Nazis were gay. Also there was Don Schmierer, on the board of Exodus International, which promotes the "ex-gay" movement, believing people can change their sexuality and be redeemed. The third extremist evangelical to attend was Caleb Lee Brundidge, who is linked to Richard Cohen who believes that psychotherapy can "cure" homosexuality.

These cretins are pushing this mess! I hope they are caught and held accountable. In some ways, they are supporting the murder of innocents. So God-like, right?

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Forget The Judas Contact, Heed the madness of The Manhattan Manifesto!

What is the The Manhattan Manifesto?

Well I can tell you it's fresh mess, but that's my opinion.

The Manhattan Manifesto is from a group of lost Christians vowing to stop the gay terror in the nation. Yes, that sound dramatic, but read this piece here:

It is ironic that those who today assert a right to kill the unborn, aged and disabled and also a right to engage in immoral sexual practices, and even a right to have relationships integrated around these practices be recognized and blessed by law—such persons claiming these “rights” are very often in the vanguard of those who would trample upon the freedom of others to express their religious and moral commitments to the sanctity of life and to the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.


We see this, for example, in the effort to weaken or eliminate conscience clauses, and therefore to compel pro-life institutions (including religiously affiliated hospitals and clinics), and pro-life physicians, surgeons, nurses, and other health care professionals, to refer for abortions and, in certain cases, even to perform or participate in abortions.

We see it in the use of anti-discrimination statutes to force religious institutions, businesses, and service providers of various sorts to comply with activities they judge to be deeply immoral or go out of business. After the judicial imposition of “same-sex marriage” in Massachusetts, for example, Catholic Charities chose with great reluctance to end its century-long work of helping to place orphaned children in good homes rather than comply with a legal mandate that it place children in same-sex households in violation of Catholic moral teaching.

In New Jersey, after the establishment of a quasi-marital “civil unions” scheme, a Methodist institution was stripped of its tax exempt status when it declined, as a matter of religious conscience, to permit a facility it owned and operated to be used for ceremonies blessing homosexual unions. In Canada and some European nations, Christian clergy have been prosecuted for preaching Biblical norms against the practice of homosexuality. New hate-crime laws in America raise the specter of the same practice here.

This is some discounted malarkey and if you read the rest of this Manifesto, you might either laugh or cry at how silly these "leaders" are.

The rest is here

NG also has more on his blog

This Poll says That Churchfolk are Supporters of Torture

Interesting stuff...churchgoers are more likely to support torture of suspected terrorists, according to the Pew Research Center.

More than half of people who attend services at least once a week -- 54 percent -- said the use of torture against suspected terrorists is "often" or "sometimes" justified. Only 42 percent of people who "seldom or never" go to services agreed, according to the analysis released Wednesday by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life.

White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.

The president of the National Association of Evangelicals, Leith Anderson, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

So basically they are hypocrites, but it's not a surprise. These are the same folks that will try to beat demons and homosexuality out of people, sexually molest kids and steal money in the of God. Should we be that shocked of the survey's outcome?

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Why I think Religious Leaders Failed

The religious right leaders has admitted that their goal to remake our country in their image has failed. James Dobson, Rev Joe Morecraft and few others realized following Bush and playing foolish games cost them dearly.

But to me, this was a predictable defeat. There are reasons why their path lead them to a wall. The article in colored block has some reasons, but I will add more to their "fail" list.

• They got involved with politics. Jesus wasn't a fan of Politics.

• They did not have faith in their own God. They trusted politicians who would say any and everything to win.

• They fought for the wrong causes. Poverty, equal rights, love and education for all should have been the focus of these group, but no, they chose gay marriage and abortion. Those issues had nothing to do with the problems of the world.
  

• They let money rule everything around them. They didn't raise money to stop the war or to provide books in schools; they did it to fund some politician who dropped them as they were in office.

• They allowed crazies into their flock, quickly painting the religious group as mad and ignorant.

• And I think they forgot who Jesus was and what he stood for.

Their quest for power was their downfall. Maybe this time, these religious groups can really find a real reason for their existence. Their methods only fueled hate and foolishness. They should return to basics and promote love and social justice.

That's is WJWD.

In West Virginia? I guess so

Well, I'm impressed.

For the first time in a long time, West Virginia's House of Delegates voted to kill this session's chances to ban gay marriage.

A Cultural terrorist (evangelical) group tried their best to pimp God's word on the issue, but failed in their efforts.

The delegates voted 67-30 to reject the attempt. And the 29 House Repubs voted to move the measure from the committee.

I have to say that's a big step for the place that promoted the Gay Snipers looking to destroy loving straight families. Perhaps the stupid haze is fading? Maybe not so fast, but who knows, WV may change the game and become the next gay marrying state.

We can dream, right?

The End of Evangelicals?

I'm shocked about this info, however it makes so much sense. In an article from Christian Science Monitor, the writer believes that within 10 years, evangelical Christianity will suffer a great collapse.

Here are some of the talking points:

1. Evangelicals have identified their movement with the culture war and with political conservatism. This will prove to be a very costly mistake. Evangelicals will increasingly be seen as a threat to cultural progress. Public leaders will consider us bad for America, bad for education, bad for children, and bad for society.

The evangelical investment in moral, social, and political issues has depleted our resources and exposed our weaknesses. Being against gay marriage and being rhetorically pro-life will not make up for the fact that massive majorities of Evangelicals can't articulate the Gospel with any coherence. We fell for the trap of believing in a cause more than a faith.

2. We Evangelicals have failed to pass on to our young people an orthodox form of faith that can take root and survive the secular onslaught. Ironically, the billions of dollars we've spent on youth ministers, Christian music, publishing, and media has produced a culture of young Christians who know next to nothing about their own faith except how they feel about it. Our young people have deep beliefs about the culture war, but do not know why they should obey scripture, the essentials of theology, or the experience of spiritual discipline and community. Coming generations of Christians are going to be monumentally ignorant and unprepared for culture-wide pressures.

3. There are three kinds of evangelical churches today: consumer-driven megachurches, dying churches, and new churches whose future is fragile. Denominations will shrink, even vanish, while fewer and fewer evangelical churches will survive and thrive.

4. Despite some very successful developments in the past 25 years, Christian education has not produced a product that can withstand the rising tide of secularism. Evangelicalism has used its educational system primarily to staff its own needs and talk to itself.

5. The confrontation between cultural secularism and the faith at the core of evangelical efforts to "do good" is rapidly approaching. We will soon see that the good Evangelicals want to do will be viewed as bad by so many, and much of that work will not be done. Look for ministries to take on a less and less distinctively Christian face in order to survive.

6. Even in areas where Evangelicals imagine themselves strong (like the Bible Belt), we will find a great inability to pass on to our children a vital evangelical confidence in the Bible and the importance of the faith.

7. The money will dry up.

What will be left?

•Expect evangelicalism to look more like the pragmatic, therapeutic, church-growth oriented megachurches that have defined success. Emphasis will shift from doctrine to relevance, motivation, and personal success – resulting in churches further compromised and weakened in their ability to pass on the faith.

•Two of the beneficiaries will be the Roman Catholic and Orthodox communions. Evangelicals have been entering these churches in recent decades and that trend will continue, with more efforts aimed at the "conversion" of Evangelicals to the Catholic and Orthodox traditions.

•A small band will work hard to rescue the movement from its demise through theological renewal. This is an attractive, innovative, and tireless community with outstanding media, publishing, and leadership development. Nonetheless, I believe the coming evangelical collapse will not result in a second reformation, though it may result in benefits for many churches and the beginnings of new churches.

•The emerging church will largely vanish from the evangelical landscape, becoming part of the small segment of progressive mainline Protestants that remain true to the liberal vision.

•Aggressively evangelistic fundamentalist churches will begin to disappear.

•Charismatic-Pentecostal Christianity will become the majority report in evangelicalism. Can this community withstand heresy, relativism, and confusion? To do so, it must make a priority of biblical authority, responsible leadership, and a reemergence of orthodoxy.

Fascinating, I wonder if they will see their failure. I hope they think about that.

Thanks to Queerty for posting this

Question of the Day: Skip being the new Black...Are Gays the new Evangelicals?

I love different views and opinions about anything. And I also love challenging different views and opinions. So in the spirit of doing such stuff, I have a question/situation for y'all.

In several conversations with fellow gay folks, I've learned we're all over the place about Obama's Rick Warren drama, appointing LGBT folks to the cabinet, and the infamous Prop 8. "We are the new Black" motif is slowly becoming a new T-shirt of the year.

However, some folks are saying that we are not the new Black...We are the new Evangelicals. When I asked why, I was told we are acting like the uber-Christians back in 2004 when Bush won his 2nd term. They demanded so much stuff from prayer in schools to a constitution amendment to ban gay marriage. And later they claimed they were betrayed.

I thought it was an interesting concept. Are we jumping to fast? Do we have a reason to be this upset? I think we should be upset, but I think we need to focus our energies in long term planning and goal setting. But I want to know what y'all think. Are we becoming the new Evangelicals?